Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29420052-20170220223600/@comment-29420052-20170224035431

Pokechurin wrote: good arguments, but i have to put my opinion in. first of all, yeah, i really meant mid range. but as far as his combo stretches, it's still good at close due to a decent combo. ehh, i wouldn't actually say that frig's combo is that good, considering that it is a fighter with a mediocore combo. i haven't ever seen a bunny hopping abyss, even with people with 3000 wins. you use your COMBO. if you wanted to escape, V. abyss doesn't use that much mana, as i used to use spectre i'm used to those situations. how will you bait out his block? you don't lol. even with the block issue it's not even that problematic as you use c whenever he is using v or anything that has a long animation. block isn't that op. yes, it's a stagger, but a low damage stagger. abyss has a great defence so a stagger won't set it back too much, about 200-250 damage, which abyss can HEAL. and no, i don't face that many noob frigosts.the problem, is that you are trying to put me in a situation where if i say one thing, it's wrong, and if i say the complete opposite, it's wrong as well. if i say i face many good frig, you'll ask me to prove it, and if i say i lose to them, then you'll say i have low experience, and if i say i win against them then that's not really a argument. and if i agree with you you say exactly and assume you win. at the end of the day, it's our opinion, and you'll have to face the reality. frigs click combo: 55-ish for the first 3 hits and 83-ish in 2 seconds for the last against the normal kactusman. abyss click combo: 57-ish for first 2, 70, 75 in 3 seconds. (rounded) 250 in 2 and a dash vs 260 in 3 and a slightly long ranged 4th part? I would go with the former.

Your V is a nice escape... every 40ish seconds. Plus it leaves you open at the begining of it, which could be punnished with click combo or C. Ontop of that, it consumes 50 mana.

C vs V. You know what frigost could do? Use it when your using X. There wont be enough time for you to bust out C.

i never said blocks op, i said frigost as a whole is op. Put block on cryo and what do you get? a HORRID class.

abyss can heal 30 every 2-3 seconds while in a vulnerable crouching position! great idea!

._. when did i say that i am gonna do something 1 sec... most i said related to that was that you faced to many noob frigosts, and i have seen someone say that before because they havent seen many "good" frigosts.

Its like ssbm jigglypuff. At first, he was barely viable, then Hungrybox came around and boosted him up to 5th best and won evo 2016 with it. scept in this case jigglypuff isnt op.