Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26781209-20180217230921/@comment-29420052-20180218213943

Nightengalland wrote: what yes

gneiss is weak

his z-z is almost impossible to hit

his rock defense is the only thing making him useable

any class that focuses on mid-range combat is hard to use

almost everything about gneiss is weak

obsidian is strong and has infinite range, high defense, good damage at any range.

I only agree with your last sentence that all tanks are slow, but their speed doesn't make them weak. Z is relatively easy to hit if you know how to use it, and it has a massive hitbox

60% defense is great

gneiss USED to focus on mid-ranged combat, but now it can stay at close range with its recent buffs, specifically the 60% defense. you may not think it is much, but it matters alot

gneiss is great at mid range because of its sweet spots, great at close range because of CC and defense, great at getting out of long ranged fights, great at living through CC because of defense and C, great against big crowds because of large hitboxes, great against single people because of high burst damage, and meh against kiters, but all tanks are pretty bad against kiters

obsidians orbs arnt fast enough to be good at long range, and obsidians damage is mostly reliant on E+X combos, but the click combo and Z and V alone dont do that much damage, and gneiss does so much more consistant damage than obsidian